Did you already tried it? Smappee?
Does it actually work?
bazzle |
Only by having the 'minute' graph open, then unplug device and read change.
mr_thingy |
Smappee? That's the one that doesn't recognise that Australia exists. You can however say that you're in Antarctica, which is the closest to Australia they'll let you get. Another possibility is Heard Island, which is at least Australian territory, but then it's 4000km from Australia, and for that matter pretty much anywhere else as well. Oddly enough though, for a company that manages to lose an entire continent, they're not American but Belch.
mr_thingy |
Oh, forgot to mention that since Heard Island is a totally uninhabited piece of mostly-barren rock while Australia has 22 million people on at least some bits that aren't barren rock, the choice seems even more strange. I guess you could mount an expedition to Heard Island to strap a Smappee onto a rock somewhere, although since there's no power, or anything else, including a harbour to drop anchor in, I'm not sure how useful that would be.
gebhardm |
Which device actually means device detection. Gonium of Fraunhofer told at the elektro:camp before last that he works on device detection from data down to 1 minute base. That sounds feasible for such appliances like refrigerators, vacuum cleaners, maybe also a TV set or an oven, but it will be quite hard for all the tiny little helpers around. Of course, there will be patterns and there is a good sense to detect such by something like a FFT, but you also would need a database to store all the different patterns and match criteria at least for different classes of appliances - artificial intelligence, I hear you calling, also all the ontology guys will cry "here, here, we have something". Would be a neat task for a thesis, at least for a master or even a PhD... And then it's intellectual property that not too easy will be open source (if there are not the pirates that do it open source from the very beginning) - everything I read from Smappee is what the FLM also offers, maybe not so "clicky colorfully" like this proprietary thing Smappee offers; device recognition at least is not what I seem to get from them, too...
wim vanherle |
I bought myself a Smappee recently, just to try it out, and see if it actually works.
Until now (3 days later) it discovered 4 devices.
My refrigirator, my gas boiler, my microwave, and something I have no idea what it is.
It recognizes devices, but you have to name them yourselves.
If anything spectacular happens, I'll post it here
jgysenbergs |
Quite an expensive thingy, this Smappee. Meanwhile, I signed up with Bidgely but it only seems to work for North America and NZ. They also don't know about Flukso. Sigh.
@Wim VanHerle: Wow, that really sounds impressive; naming the devices is, of course, tolerable - and I bet they'll get better. So, they indeed have a device recognition.
Simba |
But how does it recognizes which applinaces when it goes on and off? They say electrical signature, can it be? I am puzzled how it works but looks indeed interesting.
I think to buy one too, just to try to understand how it works...
fusionpower |
If anyone works it out let the forum know, i for one am very curious.
I can recognise many of the appliance patterns in my Flukso chart but when multiple appliances are being used simultaneously it gets very difficult.
Not sure how an automated device would pattern match a device like a plasma tv who's power usage varies dramatically depending on what is on the screen.
Or a washing machine with over a dozen different cycles and cycles that vary depending on garment load.
On their web page they say it uses a single clamp sensor on the main power into the switchboard. Would this be anything other than a current clamp?
Maybe they are detecting harmonics as well and recognising the device by the distinctive hash of frequencies it adds to the power line?
jgysenbergs |
Hello, is there someone from New Zealand or North America who managed to 'interface' Bidgely.com with a Flukso? Thanks for letting us know.
bazzle |
OK, found the smappee page , thanks Mr,Thingy. My google didn't recognise the double dutch ;)
Ive contacted them re if it works in Australia or New Zealand as not listed in the countries.. Will post answer here.
mr_thingy |
I'd be kinda surprised if Bidgely worked with a Flukso, it looks like they screen-scrape your power provider's data from your account web page, which I assume also means you need to have a smart meter installed. Why do you ask about New Zealand? From their supported-utilities info it looks like they only do the big three in California.
bazzle |
Youri Grommen (customer support)
Dec 03 09:16 (CET)
Reply:::
Dear,
Thank you for your interest in our product.
We plan to ship worldwide in the near future but we first need to make some process changes.
Very impressive, thanks for the link! I wonder how much better accuracy you could get from the higher-res capability of the Flukso compared to a generic smart meter?
mr_thingy |
The slides point to another site, PlotWatt, which works with energy monitors, currently TED-5000, WattVision, Blue Line Innovations PowerCost Monitor (with WiFi bridge), Current Cost, and eGauge. This seems like a better option than Bidgely if they add support for the Flukso in the future.
jgysenbergs |
[cross posted from an older thread https://www.flukso.net/content/bidgely-support#comment-3141]
Here is an answer from Bidgely. I'm not proficient enough to understand so anybody who is willing to shed some light on this, is very very welcome.
Hi Jos,
Flukso does not support Bidgely. We have a open API available for firmware developers to integrate with Bidgely. We expose a REST based API for devices to send data.
If you or anyone else is working on a patch to support Bidgely we would be glad to provide any help with the APIs.
Thanks
Bidgely Support
Helpful? Click to give Bidgely thanks!
On Dec 8, 2013 at 9:02 pm jos wrote:
Any news about this? Thank you - Jos Gysenbergs, Belgium
On Dec 1, 2013 at 12:13 am jos wrote:
I'm trying to connect to a Flukso (flukso.net) but no luck ... Any tips? Thanks - Jos
Did you already tried it? Smappee?
Does it actually work?
Only by having the 'minute' graph open, then unplug device and read change.
Smappee? That's the one that doesn't recognise that Australia exists. You can however say that you're in Antarctica, which is the closest to Australia they'll let you get. Another possibility is Heard Island, which is at least Australian territory, but then it's 4000km from Australia, and for that matter pretty much anywhere else as well. Oddly enough though, for a company that manages to lose an entire continent, they're not American but Belch.
Oh, forgot to mention that since Heard Island is a totally uninhabited piece of mostly-barren rock while Australia has 22 million people on at least some bits that aren't barren rock, the choice seems even more strange. I guess you could mount an expedition to Heard Island to strap a Smappee onto a rock somewhere, although since there's no power, or anything else, including a harbour to drop anchor in, I'm not sure how useful that would be.
Which device actually means device detection. Gonium of Fraunhofer told at the elektro:camp before last that he works on device detection from data down to 1 minute base. That sounds feasible for such appliances like refrigerators, vacuum cleaners, maybe also a TV set or an oven, but it will be quite hard for all the tiny little helpers around. Of course, there will be patterns and there is a good sense to detect such by something like a FFT, but you also would need a database to store all the different patterns and match criteria at least for different classes of appliances - artificial intelligence, I hear you calling, also all the ontology guys will cry "here, here, we have something". Would be a neat task for a thesis, at least for a master or even a PhD... And then it's intellectual property that not too easy will be open source (if there are not the pirates that do it open source from the very beginning) - everything I read from Smappee is what the FLM also offers, maybe not so "clicky colorfully" like this proprietary thing Smappee offers; device recognition at least is not what I seem to get from them, too...
I bought myself a Smappee recently, just to try it out, and see if it actually works.
Until now (3 days later) it discovered 4 devices.
My refrigirator, my gas boiler, my microwave, and something I have no idea what it is.
It recognizes devices, but you have to name them yourselves.
If anything spectacular happens, I'll post it here
Quite an expensive thingy, this Smappee. Meanwhile, I signed up with Bidgely but it only seems to work for North America and NZ. They also don't know about Flukso. Sigh.
I put Smappee into Google but No find :(
Really? http://www.smappee.com.
@Wim VanHerle: Wow, that really sounds impressive; naming the devices is, of course, tolerable - and I bet they'll get better. So, they indeed have a device recognition.
But how does it recognizes which applinaces when it goes on and off? They say electrical signature, can it be? I am puzzled how it works but looks indeed interesting.
I think to buy one too, just to try to understand how it works...
If anyone works it out let the forum know, i for one am very curious.
I can recognise many of the appliance patterns in my Flukso chart but when multiple appliances are being used simultaneously it gets very difficult.
Not sure how an automated device would pattern match a device like a plasma tv who's power usage varies dramatically depending on what is on the screen.
Or a washing machine with over a dozen different cycles and cycles that vary depending on garment load.
On their web page they say it uses a single clamp sensor on the main power into the switchboard. Would this be anything other than a current clamp?
Maybe they are detecting harmonics as well and recognising the device by the distinctive hash of frequencies it adds to the power line?
Hello, is there someone from New Zealand or North America who managed to 'interface' Bidgely.com with a Flukso? Thanks for letting us know.
OK, found the smappee page , thanks Mr,Thingy. My google didn't recognise the double dutch ;)
Ive contacted them re if it works in Australia or New Zealand as not listed in the countries.. Will post answer here.
I'd be kinda surprised if Bidgely worked with a Flukso, it looks like they screen-scrape your power provider's data from your account web page, which I assume also means you need to have a smart meter installed. Why do you ask about New Zealand? From their supported-utilities info it looks like they only do the big three in California.
Youri Grommen (customer support)
Dec 03 09:16 (CET)
Reply:::
Dear,
Thank you for your interest in our product.
We plan to ship worldwide in the near future but we first need to make some process changes.
Kind regards,
Smappee support team
An intro to how energy disaggregation work is given by http://www.stanford.edu/group/peec/cgi-bin/docs/events/2011/becc/present... - it's a huge area of research...
For some further challenges, look here http://jack-kelly.com/smart_meter_disaggregation - the mathematicians heart beats higher...
Very impressive, thanks for the link! I wonder how much better accuracy you could get from the higher-res capability of the Flukso compared to a generic smart meter?
The slides point to another site, PlotWatt, which works with energy monitors, currently TED-5000, WattVision, Blue Line Innovations PowerCost Monitor (with WiFi bridge), Current Cost, and eGauge. This seems like a better option than Bidgely if they add support for the Flukso in the future.
[cross posted from an older thread https://www.flukso.net/content/bidgely-support#comment-3141]
Here is an answer from Bidgely. I'm not proficient enough to understand so anybody who is willing to shed some light on this, is very very welcome.
Hi Jos,
Flukso does not support Bidgely. We have a open API available for firmware developers to integrate with Bidgely. We expose a REST based API for devices to send data.
If you or anyone else is working on a patch to support Bidgely we would be glad to provide any help with the APIs.
Thanks
Bidgely Support
Helpful? Click to give Bidgely thanks!
On Dec 8, 2013 at 9:02 pm jos wrote:
Any news about this? Thank you - Jos Gysenbergs, Belgium
On Dec 1, 2013 at 12:13 am jos wrote:
I'm trying to connect to a Flukso (flukso.net) but no luck ... Any tips? Thanks - Jos