Water Meter Pulse Problems

I have a Few issues

I have 1 water meter with a pulse counter connected atm
its a 10L per pulse yet my graph shows it as using 1 or 2 liters etc.
Constant set at 10

how when its a 10L/pulse?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nzdscd6n8zreg35/10L.p.PNG?dl=0

i can understand it averages it from the last pulse to the current one but its graphing it all wrong, when it varies a few liters here and there up and down but hasnt actually used 10L
unless im getting my constant wrong i dont know whats going on

imo it should average the usage from the pulse before to the pulse after i dont know how it can get readings inbetween the pulses

i have 2 more water meters one a 5l/Pulse that gives random pulse readings
ie. i test with air the meter will read 100L used and the flukso graph shows 36L
i test again and do another 100L and flukso graph shows 56L?

i set the constant to 1 so it would count pulses and i could work out if it was infact a 5L/Pulse unit but the pulses are way out with the same usage.

and the other one is a 0.5L/pulse that wont even get a pulse.

are they not compatible with the flukso or is something else wrong?
or is air (that still spins the meter some how affecting it? i dont want to plumb it all up then it not work and be stuck

ndupont's picture

Hi, why not set the heartbeat LED to show port 4 or 5 and see how it blinks and how this will be reflected in the Flukso Dash ?
What does it look like in the cumulative mode ?

Mine never really shows 0 in the hourly view, but is close enough on a daily basis with real world consumption (shower, dishwasher...) (1L/pulse)

Gas shows a similar behavior with a 10L/pulse constant

http://imgur.com/a/henl6

bazzle's picture

I just dont think air will make it work consistently. Can you put it in a pipe somewhere?

WCG_SYD_GHD's picture

Not sure how well the Flukso deal with bounce and debounce. Basically, sometimes the one contact, esp. if it is actually a Reed switch, can bounce and therefore count as multiple pulses when in fact only 10L have passed through, although it sounds as if you have too few pulses.

Clean everything thoroughly, wipe a strong magnet over it, swap probes if you can, makes sure all probes are fully inserted, exactly installed as they should incl. mounting screws - and finally: How old are the meters and the probes? If >10 years, ask your water authority if they replace them.

B-Man's picture

its 2 new water meters purchased for my own metering
i only have 1 probe it works in 1 not the other

its fully mounted with proper screw in both meters

they have the same mounting etc and look the same just a different brand marked on them

B-Man's picture

this is the specs i have found on it

1. The Pulse output Device consists of a plastic housing with Reed Switch, and 1,5 m cable with 2 cores in Red and Black.
2. Electric Data: Vmax=24AC/DC, Imax=0,01A
3. Capacity of the Pulse output or Pulse output pre-equipped:

is this compatible with the flukso?

bazzle's picture

The signal required is just opening and closing of the contacts. You can use 2 paper clip taped together.
The voltage and current specs dont matter in this case.
I tested mine initially with an old switch that I operated by hand.

B-Man's picture

i connected it up and was reading double what it should of filled a bucket with 7L and it read 15

so change constant from .5 to 1 (its meant to be 0.5L/Pulse but appeared to be 1L/ pulse) is this correct

now it wont register.
i have rebooted it and still wont work

bazzle's picture

Just short the terminals manually at the Flukso to prove out, tap.tap.tap. ..............

B-Man's picture

yeah it's not an issue with the flukso i just don't know what the meter is reading

bazzle's picture

Time water going into an 10litre bucket for a minute.
5l = 5l / min

bazzle's picture

Bugger pressed save when not finished. Pity no edit function :(
For me the 5l bit comes out diff on both sites.
After many checks now over the last weeks data Im also finding inconsistencies between both sites.
It seems to even out a bit the more water is used.
Im wondering if its to do with the timing of data sent between both sites?

B-Man's picture

yeah i cant understand how flukso has a reading and pvoutput retrieves that reading from flukso yet they are a different amount??

WCG_SYD_GHD's picture

If you google the exact type of water meter you have you should find a spec sheet that will tell you how many litres per pulse. However, in 10 years of professionally working with smart water meters I have only ever come across the following pulse rates:
0.5L/pulse (typically only for meters showing 4 decimal dials), 1, 5, 10, 100, 1,000. It should be fairly obvious which multiple it is.

If there are different readings it may be due to readings taken at different intervals, eg flukso may read every min, pvoutput every 5min - and a pulse may or may not have registered in that period. Over longer periods like an hour, and certainly a day it should be close enough to the same, although yours sounds different.

I have both as well but must admit I have never bothered to reconcile.

We have lately seen a number of probes fail. So maybe try a replacement? Also, sometimes the manual readings just do not exactly line up with the recorded readings. Annoying as it is, we now look at the significance. Is it still "pretty" right? How does it affect any action that should be taken or not?

I appreciate the for some unsatisfying approach but measured pragmatism here works and saves us many headaches.

B-Man's picture

"If you google the exact type of water meter you have you should find a spec sheet that will tell you how many litres per pulse. However"

it says its a 0.5L/pulse yet my figures are leaning towards a 1L/Pulse as having 0.5 set in constant and filled bucket with 7L it showed 15L used

"If there are different readings it may be due to readings taken at different intervals, eg flukso may read every min, pvoutput every 5min - and a pulse may or may not have registered in that period. Over longer periods like an hour, and certainly a day it should be close enough to the same, although yours sounds different."

PVoutput is grabbing the data from the flukso website. i cant understand how it is so incorrect
based on the graphs its not a certain amount out its irregular so not a setting causing it to be 10% more or anything

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/58260317/Flukso/flukso%20vs%20pvoutp...
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/58260317/Flukso/PV1.JPG
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/58260317/Flukso/F1.JPG

cumulative for the day is way out aswell but if the figures are wrong then i didnt expect it to be right.